Jeanie Bottle 684
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on March 1, 2022
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Jeanie’s expression in panel 4 is a classic “Oh shit…”
Also, I made this edit to panel 4 for giggles..
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Jeanie’s expression in panel 4 is a classic “Oh shit…”
Also, I made this edit to panel 4 for giggles..
But that may or may not work depending on space time rules for Jeans case. But that could also mean Neil could overrule him if proofed out of the bottle right?
This would be a good time to give yourself a taste of his own medicine, Jean.
hopefully Neil can fix this mess soon, or there’s gonna be even MORE trouble!
“Otherwise.” he-he-he
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I think Genatte’s expression in frame 3 is rather challenging. Of course, that might just be, “I warned you to stay in the bottle”.
Actually, she looks worried.
Groan, Robert! Just groan. 🙂
It actually took me a while to get it.
I am slow today.
But yes, groan
(This is so much like something I would do 🙂 )
Hahahahah. 🙂
A pity the word couldn’t have been, “Nevermore”. But then Natalie would have probably had to look like a bird…
Is one hand on the bottle better then 2 hands in the bottle is the real question here? As who ever is holding (in contact) with the bottle is the master.
So this will be interesting.
You know Jean’s giving off strong rape vibes here “I’m not having sex with you” “I’ll use magic to make you do it”. Especially given he has no idea who this genie is or what they’re doing here I can easily see him doing this to women and men especially as the genie we have confirmation of him doing it to used to be his best friend.
Jean has never been a good person. Giving him power doesn’t change that.
Jean used to be a pickup artist, not a rapist.
Damn, he didn’t even ask her name. Just “we are gonna have sex”. That’s how much of an entitled prick he has become.
What Dagor said he’s gone from “Flirt, flirt, would you like to X.” to “You’re going to have sex with me or I’ll use my genie to make you” Sure Jean at the start would probably have done the same to Neil but I don’t think he’d have done this to his girlriend whereas this Jean is.
Yeah, that was my first thought. Jean’s turned into a creepy rapist in this timeline. He was an obnoxious womanizer before, now he’s just, ick.
Isn’t changing humans will disallowed by genies rules, though?
Yes, but Jeanie is a genie, and so Jean may believe that she is an exception to this rule.
Oh, YUCK.
Jeannie, it’s high time to poof the hell out of here and erase this repulsive timeline. And don’t forget Neil.
Jeanie’s expression in panel 4 seems to indicate that she just realized how much trouble she’s in. Back in I Dream of a General she learned that possession is 100% of the Law when it comes to Jeanies, and Jean “Biff” Nessmann now possesses her bottle. Not only can he compel her, she will learn to like it. “…it’s actually a gratifying feeling now.” (page 347)
Now, since the bottle’s possession has passed to Jean, this raises a serious question that wasn’t brought up after I Dream of a General. Neil used three wishes, Boss Hog used one before losing the bottle, and ergo Neil now has three wishes he has not used. But no, now Jean has the three wishes. Jeanie is in such trouble.
Robert’s giggle image is actually more revealing than he intended, I think. “…and a genie who says otherwise” which she repeats almost like an automation. It demonstrates the true power of the genie bottle in the hands of a real dominant owner compelling the genie to do as she’s told. This also might explain why genie-Neil looks the way she does because of the subconscious need to please her master by assuming a form he desires. Will we soon see Jeanie sporting a Clydesdale ponytail and bustier chest?
You are right. That’s a hint to the underlying horror of the situation.
Actually, there a difference between being compelled to do something and coming to liking to doing something for someone. Case in point, when the Greek Captain made his first two wishes. Jeanie granted them without cousins him any trouble or even subverting those wishes even though she didn’t really want to do them for him/ But, when the Greek Captain tried to force Jeanie to be his wife so he could maintain control over her, that when Jeanie choose to subverted the wish and made him a her. In this cartoon version of Jeanie Bottle, Jeanie is only required to grant her master three wishes only and then she can find a new master if she want too and then grant him or her three wishes too. After the three wishes have been granted, then the genie can do what they want to do. A Genie still has free will even tho it may have been modified a little bit. This like his or her own master is a tendency that a female genie will have by nature, but, when you have a jerk for your master like Jean then it isn’t set in stone for them to honor there master, they they may not choose to obey him after those first three wishes have been granted to him or her. In Araceli case she like have Neil for her Master because, so easy going and is nice to her, but, if she had Jean for her master, she would not like it either.
@Larry: I think that’s a distinction without a difference, as they say (I think I have that right). Grant 3 wishes and move on unless you want to remain, as Jeanie did when confronted by Guano. She easily subverted the captain’s wish to keep her because, technically, it conflicted with the move on rule since she didn’t want to remain. “Natalie” certainly would not want to remain with a rapist a single moment once given the option (hence the belief that Jean has not used all 3 wishes). And if you’ll recall, Jeanie took no active part in her escape from Boss Hog and actually did not lie when told to undo Cooter’s fake wish, there was no wish to undo.
Now this situation appears to be different because Jean is holding the bottle that we believe contains both Jeanie and Natalie, a result of the messed-up time stream. Kazom told Jeanie back on page 164 that a genie named Eva died because she used up too much of her magic but considering who her master was, she may not have had a choice even though she knew what the consequences might be. Holding the bottle in hand when giving the genie commands (not making wishes) may make the command much harder to resist.
It still doesn’t change the three wish rule that all genie’s can choose to use if they have an extra assertive master that is abusing there genie powers for there own selfish desires. Guano made Jeanie grant Neil a third wish and he wished for a sandwich to satisfy Guano demand for Jeanie to grant her master a third with. Guano was going to take Jeanie away from Neil after that and Jeanie had to plead with Guano to let her stay with Neil after she granted him his third wish.
If you go back and re read it, Eva wanted to stay with Adolf Hitler and not only did she know what would happen, she was also warned not to do it and she still choose to do it. So her death was a combination of using her magic where she wasn’t suppose to and being disenfranchised by Haji as she disobeyed Haji rules of conduct. She had two things working against her that lead to her death.
In Boss Hog case, he had control of Jeanie bottle, but, he hasn’t used all three of his wishes yet and whether Jeanie like it or not, she was still bound by the three wish rules that genie have to perform for there new Master. Boss Hog had only used one or two of the three allotted wisher for every new master that may get possession of there genie bottle. So Jeanie didn’t have way out of this mess until Boss Hog uses his third wish or if Neil can trick Boss Hog to give up her genie bottle intentionally.
Remember the Greek Captain, Jeanie had to grant him three wishes and was it. Then she turned to the other three or four guys standing there ask them if they also wanted three wishes too and they said that they were good and didn’t want her granting them any wishes. That was after she transformed the Captain into a girl too.
I don’t think Neil has 3 more wishes
IIRC, the comic established that you get only 3 wishes per genie, losing the bottle and regaining it doesn’t reset the number of wishes the genie is required to grant you
I don’t recall reading that, can you cite a reference? Regardless, Jean has the bottle and gets the wishes.
On the other hand, the solution to the current problem of male Jean abusing Natalie and Jeanie is likely to involve Neil grabbing the bottle from him and thus being the Master.
Also, if you could just lose the bottle and regain it to obtain wishes you could easily exploit it to have infinite wishes.
@ThePirate: Losing it and finding it again is not the same as having someone else take possession of it while it is lost, such as what happened with Boss Hog. I Agree, it is a flaw that can be exploited if two owners agree to work together… but would you actually trust the other guy?
@mike: I had to look around, because I forgot where I saw it specifically
Under the information tab, down where it talks about the laws of genie, there is a bit about infinite wishes:
“Genies will not grant infinite wishes. After the 3 Wishes law is fulfilled for a particular master, a Genie may perform magic at that master’s request, but they are not forced to do so.”
The wording of “particular master” implies that losing and then going back to a specific master does not reset the wish count, but I suppose that technically the comic has never explicitly stated one way or the other
Source: https://jeaniebottle.com/information
For some reason my origional comment didn’t post
@mike: It’s under the information tab at the top of the page, right next to “cast”
The rule under “laws of the genie” for infinite wishes says: “Genies will not grant infinite wishes. After the 3 Wishes law is fulfilled for a particular master, a Genie may perform magic at that master’s request, but they are not forced to do so.”
The specific wording implies that losing and then regaining a totem will not reset the number of wishes you get, but technically the comic itself has not explicitly said one way or the other if this is really the case, so I was only half right
@Paradox: Got it. Forgot about that page, so you are probably correct.
My advice to you, Jeanie, better agree, he will not leave you behind. And besides, he is very sexy and appetizing. You will feel very good with him, he guarantees it to you 100%! Natalie has already agreed and is ready to experience with him a bunch of pleasures with Jean in terms of intimacy. And besides, he has a big dick – you will be great with him today.
It’s amusing to see that Genatte’s bustline appears to go back to ‘normal’ when Jean’s talking to Jeanie — perhaps showing that Genatte’s bust is affected by a wish that was interpreted to only affect Genatte when she’s actively the target of Jean’s ‘affections’?
That looks more like a change in perspective since she’s leaning forward in panel 1 and standing straight in the others.
This is what happens when you try to fix a time travel mistake, ye makes it worse, every time
She’s a genie, but she’s not your genie, Jean. Give him a snout and a tail, Jeanie.
If the past encounter with Boss Hog is any indication, she IS his genie. He’s holding her bottle.
Isn’t Jean holding Natalie’s bottle? Jeanie’s bottle is in another time line. Or, do I have something messed up?
That’s the real question there, @Spectator: Is that Jeanie’s bottle or not? Up until now, we’ve had no evidence of the continued reality of these timelines after they are changed. But if that is Jeanie’s bottle in his hands and not merely this reality’s equivalent, then that means the reality they came from is gone.
But I don’t think so, as there would still be major changes over on Melvin Chronicles without Jean-as-Jeanie, and I don’t think the name of that boutique would be all the change we’d see. I don’t even see how that change could be a result of this timeline, unless evil Jean decided to move to LA and open a boutique named after his Genie?
How many genies to a single bottle? There must be some kind of rule about that…
@Spectator and Foradain: I don’t believe there would be any other reason for Jeanie to poof back into this bottle unless it was hers, just like in the previous arc with Natalie. Jean is physically holding the bottle, and I think that may make a difference in what he can command and how he is obeyed.
@Robert Nowall: Before now, the rule of thumb was one per vessel. All the timeline shifting may create the potential for something entirely different. For example, Jeanie is time hopping leaving the bottle technically empty because the genie is no longer in sensor range. What happens if someone new comes along?
Like the old saying goes, there only one Tarzan per tree here. It the same here too with one Genie per totem also. So logically we had to have two separate time lines or universes crashing together into one time line or one universe. When both Jean became Jeanie the genie and Neil became Natalie the genie, that totem or genie bottle was technically empty with nobody in it and it was ready for a new occupant to man or women that genie bottle.
To get back to the original time line that both Jeanie and Neil came from, there going to have to get Jean and not Neil to pick up the Genie bottle and become Jeanie and Natalie the Genie and of course Jean isn’t going to be in agreement with that option either.
Or… we just get an artisan to create a new bottle. Two bottles, two genies, one Neil (because Jean 2.0 is about to become a Chihuahua).
Or we have two identical Genie Bottle’s sitting there like two identical twins together. One from Jeanie reality time stream and the other from Natalie reality time stream. They are technically the same Genie bottle from the two different time lines, but, occupying two places right next to each other and function function like there two separate Genie Bottle and satisfying the one Genie requirement for each totem for a Genie to have there own space.
But if there are two bottles, one for Jeanie and one for Natalie, wouldn’t Jeanie and Neil have poofed back to Jeanie’s bottle instead of poofing into natalie’s bottle?
@Gary: Exactly… this must be Jeanie’s bottle for exactly that reason.
Obviously, the changes in the timestream caused by their trip to (and changes of) the past left a “vacant” bottle on this timeline that Neil-genie became trapped in.
There’s also the Genie Authorities (Lord Guano and Company) to be considered—would they permit more than one genie to a master, bottle or no bottle?
I don’t think there stated limit on the number of Genies that you can have. But, each Genie has to have there own totem that could be a bottle, lamp or some other container for the Genie to stay in. All Genie’s need to have some kind of totem or container of some kind or they can’t exist at all. When the Blue Djinn broke that totem or Genie bottle that, that other Genie was using, that Genie died. Without that totem or Genie Bottle to contain them, there energy that will dissipate or can be absorb by another Genie like what the Blue Djinn did to that other Genie when her broke her bottle.
Since we’ve established that (1) time travel is within Genie powers, and (2) altering the happentracks is a risk of travel, it would suggest they must have some knowledge of it—Jean and Neil and Natalie can’t be the first ones to fall afoul of alterations.
@Robert Nowall: I agree, but other than mind blanking and removing her powers (as was done to Rouyaa, thereby giving Neil a hot mortal girlfriend) what are the possibilities of punishment? Lock her inside her bottle until someone inadvertently lets her out (I doubt Guano’s mother would allow that… and she has a mean pinch). Can the combined Council repair the damage?
Technically, all this activity is taking place on an alternate timestream in which the events are normal. In their own timestream Jeanie and Neil poofed out and once they fix everything (assuming they can) they poof back with no interruption in time and the genie lords are none the wiser. The only ones that will know anything happened at all are Jeanie and Neil.
Jeanie, give him a hug. He can’t hold you and Natalie and the bottle, unless you give him three hands at the same time. Then poof Neil out of the bottle. He can pick up the bottle and become the master again and you can poof Jean to the Harem Club.
It is clear Jean understands genies and their rules in general, especially the part about he who holds the bottle is the master. So what makes Jean think by holding Natalie’s bottle he would have any power over a different genie.
Unless of course he knows everything of what is going on and that Jeanie is himself from another timeline and that is her bottle as well.
It sounded to me like a “I have a genie and I’m not afraid to use her” type of threat.
You could be right. I may have misread the threat.
Whatever slight sympathy I might have retained for Jean after 684 strips (He wasn’t being malicious. Whisky bottles don’t come with a “Danger! Do not open!” sticker. Who knew there was a curse?) has entirely evaporated. He was always an asshole, an idiot, and a lecher and Jeanie retained the first two qualities despite the Transformation.
Not only is he now a rapist (ordering someone unwilling to have sex is rape) but he also knows Natalie used to be his best (male) friend.
I can imagine a few possibilities for what comes next:
Jean: You kind of look familiar.
Jeanie: I’m you.
Jean drops the bottle in surprise and a mad scramble ensues. Maybe no one succeeds and it shatters, leaving Natalie free to enact an appropriate revenge.
Genies battle. Jeanie wins because her body has absorbed the powers of a dozen genies, including Blue.
Best case: Jean and Natalie swap roles. Natalie reverts to Neil and is in charge. Jean becomes another Barbara Eden lookalike (with a somewhat different color scheme so we can tell the characters apart.) Neil-1 (who’ve we been following for several years) gives Neil-2 good advice about the importance of keeping your genie on a short leash. Then Neil-1 and Jeanie-1 depart for their own continuum.
How should Neil-2 deal with Jeanie-2 (assuming that’s how this all unwinds)? Humiliating slavery? Or the safe course of action: commanding Jeanie-2 to form an impenetrable shield around the bottle and herself, throw the bottle into a Sun-bound orbit, and get inside.
A similar question once arose in “Sandra and Woo”.
The Devil asks someone to name “Three things I wish upon my worst enemy”
She writes “Immobility, insomnia, and… immortality”
This is so ingeniously fiendish that she’s promised an executive position when she reaches Hell.
What comes next? Jean poofs back to prom night and tries to reset the timeline again, as many times as it takes to get something tolerable.
I don’t think so. CD will be going on hiatus and has promised to wrap up the current storyline before then.
CD did say he was going to wrap up the current storyline, but he never promised he wouldn’t end it with a cliffhanger. Or a so-called “bad ending” that will have to be addressed in the next storyline.
And we just love bad endings.
“Maybe no one succeeds and it shatters,” Um… NO! If the bottle shatters the genie dies, or in this case two genies. (Page 488)
Yeah, I’m really not comfortable with where Jean-2’s train of thought is heading.
The revenge of Jean.
“Turn me down on prom night, will you.”
Well it seems the only thing they may have going for them is that Jean is unaware Neil is inside the bottle with a bunch of engineering textbooks. If that is actually of any value, I have no idea.
It’s a high possibility that Jean might have to do it with her past self in order to fix the timeline.
The books! That’s it! Neil pops out of the bottle and whaps Jean2 with a hardback copy of Shigley’s! LOL.
Nice! Or Mark’s Handbook, that is also hefty.
Naw. The CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics. That’s heavy enough to be fatal.
@Kattgirl: Well the CRC Red Book is probably heavier but Shigley’s has a funnier name. 🙂
@Joyce+Melton:
You’re right about that. But for my money, nothing will ever top “Funk & Wagnall’s”. 😉
I don’t know about the books you’ve mentioned, but I have copy of Webster’s New International Dictionary that weighs in at almost 15 pounds.
@mike, Kattgirl was kind of making a joke here. The joke goes like this:
When ever I have a problem and need to know something. You would say, OH, don’t worry about it, I look it up in my Funk @ Waignall’s.
It kind of a tongue and cheek comment or joking on the square of being kind of being serious and kind of joking at the same time. A Funk @ Waignall’s is kind of a dictionary for anyone that doesn’t know what one is and it for looking up words that you don’t know of or to figure out how to spell some word you don’t know how to spell too.
Aw, and I thought they were talking about heavy reading.
I remember the CRC Handbook! Or as we called it, the Rubber Bible.
@mike:
The CRC Handbook, etc is a huge, hardbound tome about 4 inches thick and weighing maybe 18 pounds, that is positively jammed to the gills with fascinating information – at least, if you’re a science enthusiast. Calling it a “handbook” is a bit of a misnomer, as it definitely takes both hands to pick it up. I can almost guarantee you that Neil has a well-used copy.
Funk and Wagnall’s was a publisher of reference works, like encyclopedias and dictionaries. I had a copy of F & W’s Standard College Dictionary. Because the name was kind of off-beat and funny-sounding, comedians of the day frequently parodied it, and often used it as a stand-in for a certain obscene word that you couldn’t say, back in the days before cable TV. There was one comic who, after getting a particularly big laugh with a slightly-raunchy joke, would wink conspiratorially at the audience and say, “Stick that in your Funk & Wagnall’s.”
But Shigley’s is a funny name, too. 😉
Funk and Wagnall’s is also a thirty-volume encyclopedia. My parents had a 1980s edition of it. Try clobbering someone in the head with THAT.
Surprise twist: it’s really Danny who controls the bottle. He’s playing sick games with Neil and Jean from his timeline.
After Blue turned Jean into his human slave, the ghosts of three murdered genies appeared to Jean in #549. This may suggest that since Jean was restored to geniehood after she blasted Blue with the Quat Ezma, Jean got all of Blue’s magic, making her the most powerful genie known. This could be a problem for the the man holding the her bottle.
Also, our Jean has inherited the Hubun Jadid bonding with Guano. Possibly we might see Lord Batcrap again soon. Or even more amusing, his mother.
Jeanie has the most raw magical power of any current genie, but not the experience in how to employ it. That means that she can still be outwitted by much more experienced genies such as Kazom and Lahab.
Jean’s greatest enemy himself literally.
Hmm, in that case, could a wish made by Jean to sleep with Jeanie be reinterpreted to mean him wishing to go screw himself?